Lowe's refuses to call them "Christmas trees," chooses to call them "Family trees"

[JanaBanana]

In an effort to avoid the use of the term "Christmas tree," Lowe's has renamed their Christmas trees and are now calling them "Family trees."
In their Holiday 2007 catalog, containing 56 pages of Christmas gifts, Lowe's advertises hundreds of gift items, including scores of "Family trees." In fact, the word "Christmas" only appears two times in the entire holiday catalog. The ads mentioning "Christmas cover only 12 square inches of the 5236 square inches available.
Lowe's even has one of their Family trees turned upside down on a stand. We are not sure what the significance of that is.
Lowe's evidently did not want to offend any non-Christians, therefore they replaced "Christmas tree" with "Family tree." Of course, if Christians are offended that is evidently ok.
An on-line search of Lowe's does reference some "Christmas" items. In fact, a word search of their Web site gives the exact same number 174 of the word "Christmas" as it does the word "holiday." Most of the items mentioning Christmas appear to use the promotional line given by the manufacturer.
Their Holiday 2007 catalog features scores of products, including lights, wreaths, trees, and yard decorations. Most people would associate these items with Christmas, but not Lowe's! Except for two obscure references, they refer to everything in their catalog as "holiday."

Cover of catalog
http://www.afa.net/lowescatalog.pdf

[Jeff Westover]

This is nothing new for Lowes... I think they purposely do this to make the news every year.

[JanaBanana]

And to think I was so excited to head over there to check out all their decore lol

[SQNOLA]

I wonder if this is because they are hoping to attract more customers by advertising in a way that does not include "Christmas"? Maybe they're thinking Christians will purchase the items for Christmas anyway and non-Christian customers will be more likely to purchase them since they're not referred to as "Christmas" related. This doesn't make sense to me, and they can't be worried about law suits or bad publicity from using the word "Christmas" during the CHRISTMAS holidays, selling CHRISTMAS items. Crazy,

David

[RadioJonD]

I've noticed similar occurrences with the words Christmas & Holiday while searching National Public Radio's web site. Before I get started, all I'll say is "that's sad."

[Annette1990]

That's insane...I would never buy a tree from there because of that reason.

[dominick]

That's insane...I would never buy a tree from there because of that reason.

I think that's a little insane. I really don't understand why everyone makes this such a big deal.

Yes, it's stupid that they're not calling them Christmas trees, but is it really that important? Are any of you getting confused by this? To get offended by it seems a little thin-skinned to me.

[Jeff Westover]

I wouldn't buy a tree from them not because I'm offended and thin-skinned but rather because I wouldn't want to support such ridiculous antics. Besides, there are lots of other places to buy trees why support these kind of crazy things by throwing business their way?

It's not ending my world but still, it bothers me enough to say that I've got choices in the market place and if they choose to play games with their political correctness it is totally ok for me to buy a tree from someone who wants to call it what it is.

That aside, my "family" tree is already on my wall and it is full of names that I'm sure you can't buy at Lowes.

[dominick]

Do you think that if you went into Lowe's and asked for the Christmas trees that you would be corrected? I think I might try that.

[Jeff Westover]

I might try that for entertainment. Better yet, go in to Lowes and ask for "Family Trees" and see what happens!

[Michael Rielly]

I posted this last year. I think I'll have to head over to Lowes this weekend...



I stopped into Target today to pick up a couple of things. While strolling through the “seasonal” isle I noticed a sign that read: “30% OFF ALL HOLIDAY TREES”.

I never heard of a "Holiday Tree" so I decided to ask about them. I went directly to the service desk and asked the woman if they had any Christmas Trees. I told them I saw a sign for 30% off all Holiday Trees, but didn’t see any Christmas Trees there. I wanted to know if they would be getting any Christmas Trees in soon as I was looking to buy a Christmas Tree and not a Holiday Tree. The woman told me that they were all Christmas Trees. I told her that they must be all out because all the tags said "Holiday Trees". Frustrated, she called the manager over.

I explained to the manager that I was looking to purchase a Christmas Tree and that all I could find were these things called Holiday Trees. At this point they were both looking at me like I was a complete idiot. The manager said they were all Christmas Trees. But I insisted that all I could find there were "Holiday Trees". I then apologized for wasting their time and explained that I really wanted to purchase a Christmas Tree and not a Holiday Tree and would have to go over to Walmart.

[JanaBanana]

WHOOOOO HOOOOO GOOD FOR YOU SC! Now that is exactly something I myself would do! I LOVE Target, but would do the same if that opportunity ever arose.

[lana]

Oh my goodness!! Sometime I think people miss the bigger picture.

I get the problem that some people may have with the whole, Holiday/Christmas tree thing - but to say you are going to not shop there because of that.

I mean I am all for standing up for your rights and beliefs but these stores do a million worse things everyday, like exploitation, pollution, they cut down parts of the rainforests - these are reasons not to shop at a store.

A tree is ultimately, a tree and i am sure that it had a diiferent name before people started calling it a christmas tree.

[Jeff Westover]

What's the problem, Lana? We can't choose not to shop at a store because of their political position? Isn't that what refusing to shop at a store because they cut down rainforests is? What's the difference?

You seem to have a problem with the fact that the failure to use the word Christmas is an OFFENSE to some people. Yeah, there are likely bigger problems in the world TO YOU but for some people the refusal to say Christmas is an attack on their entire belief system. Who are you to say that rainforests (and belief in them) are a bigger problem than an attack on Christianity?

Talk about inconsistent.

[JayIsh]

I think the rule oughta be that if you are gonna cash in on Christmas(i.e. sell trees, decorations, gifts, etc.) you oughta have to call it Christmas!!! How many of our non-Christian brothers and sisters are purchasing trees in December anyway? And if they do, it won't hurt my feelings one bit if they refer to said tree as their Family tree...For cryin' out loud they can name it Mark and make believe it's their new son for all I care...But removing the word Christmas is offensive to me as the whole thing began as a Christmas celebration. Given the choice, I'd avoid a store as gutless as Lowes seems to be and go shop and another joint not suffereing from "political-correction-itis".

Quite frankly...What a bunch of boneheads these Lowe's people are...

[Jeff Westover]

It's all a matter of choice, Jay. I never bought a Christmas tree at Lowes before but would have never hesitated if the need came up to buy something there that is Christmas-related.

Now I choose not to.

Big deal. The marketplace gives me all kinds of choices. And I make those choices for a wide variety of decisions. It's just that now I have one more reason not to give Lowe's any of my money.

[JayIsh]

I'm with you Jeff...I wonder if those guys in orange at the old Home Depot are afraid of Christmas too...

[Jeff Westover]

Speaking strictly from my merchant background, I generally would stay away from "home improvement" retailers for Christmas decor. What you get there is nothing but margin for those guys and I doubt the quality (same with Wally World and other mass retailers). Refusing to call their stuff "Christmas" is just icing on the proverbial cake.

[lana]

What's the problem, Lana? We can't choose not to shop at a store because of their political position? Isn't that what refusing to shop at a store because they cut down rainforests is? What's the difference?


The way I look at (and of course i could be wrong and I am sure that it is different for everyone else) If the stores change the name, it does not affect how my family celebrates christmas or what it means to us. Exploitation of people and resources to me, changes a lot with me and the entire globe. But i do see your point.


You seem to have a problem with the fact that the failure to use the word Christmas is an OFFENSE to some people. Yeah, there are likely bigger problems in the world TO YOU but for some people the refusal to say Christmas is an attack on their entire belief system. Who are you to say that rainforests (and belief in them) are a bigger problem than an attack on Christianity?

Talk about inconsistent.


I guess I am easily misunderstood, I understand that removing the word "Christmas" is an offense to many people. I wasn't saying that it wasn't. But does it change how you celebrate Christmas in your home? To me that seems like saying since the government wants church and state to be seperate, I am going to move to another country.

The way I see it (once again I can be wrong)and to generalize using the example of rainforest, providing an essentail thing to everyone on the planet, Christainity applies to christians.

I am not trying to be rude and I am sorry if it comes off as that. I guess I am not very good at explianing myself.

[JanaBanana]

I dont even have to reply as Jeff and Jay have said what I feel...

[Jeff Westover]

Nothing you ever see in a store is going to change the way you celebrate Christmas. And I think that's hardly the point.

But at what point to you accept change in society before you do something about it? To me we're really saying the same thing.

You question: why support an organization that exploits children in the production of their merchandise or whose methods destroy the world's natural resources?

And I'm saying I agree with that sentiment. Why support them indeed? They obviously promote something you are against. You have a standard. You have a limit. And your limits prohibit you from supporting an organization who is progressively sustaining a standard you cannot abide by.

The same thing goes for me. Why support an organization promoting multi-culturalism (which is really just another form of discrimination) when it is ultimately bad for our society?

A Christmas tree is a Christmas tree is a Christmas tree. If we get away from saying it that doesn't mean that's not what it is. But the longer they persist in redefining what things are the better the chance will be down the road that a Christmas tree will in fact cease to be a Christmas tree. It will be a "holiday" tree or a "family" tree or a "celebration" tree. And eventually, we won't even have a day to call "Christmas". It'll be something equally PC, watered-down and pointless.

That is the aim of those promoting the lack of using the word "Christmas". To them, to say "Christmas" is to say "religion". And to say "religion" is to say something offensive.

I work retail. I play the marketing games. I know the power of words when it comes to turning the sale. But this to me is clearly an agenda-driven intiative because there are people out there more than willing to say "It's ok, it won't affect my Christmas".

At what point do you stand up and say "I have standards!"?

For you, exploitation seems to be a sticking point. Environmental concerns are another. And I applaud you for that.

For me, a clear attempt to offend me just to win favor with another mind set to turn a buck is a sticking point. It is discrimination in my book.

[MrsH]

Family trees, huh? Is that kind of like Orange trees? Apple trees? What exactly is a Family tree? Does it grow families????

[Jeff Westover]

My family tree shows me and Sandy with seven "branches" -- and someday they will have branches. We are branches of our parents, etc.

That's a family tree. I've seen nothing like that at Lowes.

[lana]

I guess we just see the topic in a different light and I understand the point you are making. You take the topic of removing Christ from christmas to be very offensive and because of that I can respect that.

However i see this discussing getting to political (which is my fault) and I don't want the discussion to get ugly or anything.

[Jeff Westover]

I guess we just see the topic in a different light and I understand the point you are making. You take the topic of removing Christ from christmas to be very offensive and because of that I can respect that.

However i see this discussing getting to political (which is my fault) and I don't want the discussion to get ugly or anything.

No, no, no...it's not about Christ in Christmas. It's just about the word Christmas.

And this thread was political to begin with. No worries about that. That's what this topic area is mostly about, frankly.

I really bemoan the fact that some feel compelled to remove Christmas from our vocabulary. It has been a part of our society in the US for more than 140 years.

Why strip that way? Who, after all, is really complaining?

[SQNOLA]

I think all of you are making some good points. The bottom line for me is that you do have a choice as to where you shop, and that can be based on whatever you choose...exploitation, offense, etc. I imagine the average person looking for a tree walks into a store, looks at the trees, and buys one without looking at what the store calls them.

Personally, I find it ridiculous that any store would sell Christmas items and call them "holiday" items. Who is going to buy a Christmas tree if it's not for Christmas?

Many, many non-Christians celebrate Christmas here and around the world, but they still call it Christmas! I can't imagine anyone other than these big box retailers calling their Christmas products, holiday products, and I bet the vast majority of the people who purchase their "holiday trees" still call them Christmas trees.

I also agree with Jeff about purchasing Christmas items from hardware stores and other big box stores like Walmart. It's one thing if you live in an area where there are no other options, but I'd much rather support a local business that specializes in Christmas than a huge retailer that occasionally brings in sub-standard products.

David

[Jeff Westover]

Personally, I find it ridiculous that any store would sell Christmas items and call them "holiday" items. Who is going to buy a Christmas tree if it's not for Christmas?

Many, many non-Christians celebrate Christmas here and around the world, but they still call it Christmas! I can't imagine anyone other than these big box retailers calling their Christmas products, holiday products, and I bet the vast majority of the people who purchase their "holiday trees" still call them Christmas trees.

David

I can bet you with near 100% certainty that when these retailers evaluate their sales they call it "Christmas". No two ways about it.

[lana]

No, no, no...it's not about Christ in Christmas. It's just about the word Christmas.


I thought that you were saying that

quote :"That is the aim of those promoting the lack of using the word "Christmas". To them, to say "Christmas" is to say "religion". And to say "religion" is to say something offensive. "

that is what I mean when I say taking the Christ out of Christmas, removing the religion.


Why strip that way? Who, after all, is really complaining?

while I agree that this is also silly for someone to complain about, I guess it a human right to "complain".
i don't know if that is agood thing or bad thing

[lana]

i guess the real problem lies in the fact that there is marketing of Christmas

[Jeff Westover]

I just don't believe people are walking into Lowes (or anywhere else) and saying "Stop! I've had enough Christmas!"

I think by deliberately avoiding the word "Christmas" they are trying to promote a political agenda -- which, in my opinion, has no place in the market, the public schools, the Boy Scouts or on Teletubbies.

[Jeff Westover]

i guess the real problem lies in the fact that there is marketing of Christmas

Indeed. As Stan Freberg said, "Christmas has to S's in it and they are both dollar signs".

[whychristmas]

I think the rule oughta be that if you are gonna cash in on Christmas(i.e. sell trees, decorations, gifts, etc.) you oughta have to call it Christmas!!!

Nicely put!

Do you think you could open a .ged file on a family tree?! And if you have family trees, you've got a have a family tree maker right?! I thought that was a bit of software?! ;-)

[SQNOLA]

Lana,

I don't think marketing Christmas is a bad thing in any way. People want Christmas related items and someone is going to have to produce and sell them. The problem I have is with substituting the word "holiday".

Jeff, I don't know if they're really trying to promote a political agenda or not...I wonder if it's more of a misguided approach to selling more. IF companies like Lowes and Home Depot were trying to promote a political agenda I would think they would be more about religion rather than less, but I could certainly be wrong.

David

[Jeff Westover]

I've got a huge family tree but I don't think anyone would give me a nickel for it.

[lana]

I just don't believe people are walking into Lowes (or anywhere else) and saying "Stop! I've had enough Christmas!"

I think by deliberately avoiding the word "Christmas" they are trying to promote a political agenda -- which, in my opinion, has no place in the market, the public schools, the Boy Scouts or on Teletubbies.

I thought the problem with the word Christmas was that it/stores were excluding non Christians or that htey felt that were wrong for not being Christian. (to use a general example, like how aggresive Vegitarians make meat eaters feel).

Please elaborate your theory on the political agenda?
I am curious.

[JanaBanana]

Wait while I go get my Pom Poms and Popcorn :D

[Jeff Westover]

My theory -- and in no way do I have proof that Lowe's actually has a political agenda -- is based upon the fact that I work for a San Francisco based company and we get approached ALL the time to change the way we do business purely to support a political agenda.

One example, and it's a weak one, I admit, was the whole controversy in SF about not using plastic shopping bags. They want all retailers there to use cloth bags.

The company I work for was approached years ago to be a leader in the movement for this. It is a wholly impractible idea but more importantly we could not be seen, as a company, advancing anyone's agenda no matter where we fell individually with it.

For the life of me, I fail to see the point of marketing Christmas products to a buying audience where more than 90% celebrate Christmas and hope to be successful at it by calling it something other than Christmas.

[JayIsh]

I sent an email to Lowe's a little while ago...Complaining about this issue...Here is the response I got!

Thank you for contacting Lowe’s to call to our attention the error in our holiday catalog.

"You may already be aware that Lowe’s has apologized for the advertising error. We understand the confusion created when we headlined the page of Christmas trees “family trees”. The error was not caught before the publication was distributed and we are disappointed in the breakdown in our own creative process.

Lowe’s is committed to selling Christmas trees, as we have done for more than 60 years. And, we refer to the trees as Christmas trees in all television and magazine ads and in Lowe’s advertising flyers.

We will redouble our efforts to proof our catalogs in the future to prevent this issue from recurring.

We appreciate your understanding. "

I'm not sure what to make of it but...

[Billy Battles]

Do Jews buy a Tree to celebrate Chanakuh? Is any one buying a tree to celebrate Kwanzaa? It is a Christmas tree.

[lana]

My theory -- and in no way do I have proof that Lowe's actually has a political agenda -- is based upon the fact that I work for a San Francisco based company and we get approached ALL the time to change the way we do business purely to support a political agenda.

One example, and it's a weak one, I admit, was the whole controversy in SF about not using plastic shopping bags. They want all retailers there to use cloth bags.

The company I work for was approached years ago to be a leader in the movement for this. It is a wholly impractible idea but more importantly we could not be seen, as a company, advancing anyone's agenda no matter where we fell individually with it.

For the life of me, I fail to see the point of marketing Christmas products to a buying audience where more than 90% celebrate Christmas and hope to be successful at it by calling it something other than Christmas.


So you refering to local politicans trying to get votes. As in your company only premotes ideas etc from within.

[Jeff Westover]

Sounds like a cop out to me. Nobody calls a Christmas tree a "family tree" by mistake. I'm guessing all the AFA publicity made them cave. Just Wal Mart last year. Hilarious. Guess that throws the political agenda suspicions out the window....

[dvdguy]

Do Jews buy a Tree to celebrate Chanakuh? Is any one buying a tree to celebrate Kwanzaa? It is a Christmas tree.

having grown up in a jewish neighborhood i can tell you they dont:hello:

[Jeff Westover]

Do Jews buy a Tree to celebrate Chanakuh? Is any one buying a tree to celebrate Kwanzaa? It is a Christmas tree.

Now Billy, you're being relevant. Knock that off.

[dvdguy]

put that brain down before you hurt somebody

[JanaBanana]

Jay I sent an email yesterday and havent yet received a response?

[JayIsh]

Well...I told them I was Bill Gates...

[Jeff Westover]

They only answer males, Jana.

[dvdguy]

oh here we go

[JayIsh]

Where's Elfworks when you need her...

[Jeff Westover]

heh-heh...

[JanaBanana]

Oh is that the answer? Well thank you :)

[Jeff Westover]

Oh is that the answer? Well thank you :)

Dang. She didn't fall for it.

[Billy Battles]

Now Billy, you're being relevant. Knock that off.

I am always revlevant. I could start trying to find a reason to diagree if it would make you happy.

[Jeff Westover]

I am always revlevant. I could start trying to find a reason to diagree if it would make you happy.

Only if you're really bored.

[Michael Rielly]

Oh my goodness!! Sometime I think people miss the bigger picture.

I get the problem that some people may have with the whole, Holiday/Christmas tree thing - but to say you are going to not shop there because of that.

I mean I am all for standing up for your rights and beliefs but these stores do a million worse things everyday, like exploitation, pollution, they cut down parts of the rainforests - these are reasons not to shop at a store.
When you stop standing up for your rights and beliefs, do the rest really matter?

A tree is ultimately, a tree and i am sure that it had a diiferent name before people started calling it a christmas tree.
Funny, I haven’t seen any Holiday Menorahs or Holiday Kinaras out there. Have you?

[JanaBanana]

Seems I did get the same reply as you Jay!

Thank you for contacting Lowe’s to call to our attention the error in our holiday catalog.
You may already be aware that Lowe’s has apologized for the advertising error. We understand the confusion created when we headlined the page of Christmas trees “family trees”. The error was not caught before the publication was distributed and we are disappointed in the breakdown in our own creative process.
Lowe’s is committed to selling Christmas trees, as we have done for more than 60 years. And, we refer to the trees as Christmas trees in all television and magazine ads and in Lowe’s advertising flyers.
We will redouble our efforts to proof our catalogs in the future to prevent this issue from recurring.
We appreciate your understanding.

Lowe's Customer Care

[JayIsh]

I'm so happy that they appreciate our understanding...I feel so much better...NOT...this was one of those things that was wrong on their part, after they got called on it...Somebody did this on purpose in the hopes that it would sail on through un-noticed...Well...It didin't...and now, at the risk of looking bad, they back track and enter the spin cycle and throw some poor proof reader under the bus...I'm pretty sure that even the most incompetent proof reader would catch the words "Family Tree" in the place where "Christmas Tree" should be...I mean how stupid do they think I am...Nevermid...don't answer that...

[Billy Battles]

You never know the could be telling the truth. Probably not however it is possible. Maybe it wasn't them but the proof reader changed it because he/she hates Christmas.

[JayIsh]

I suppose that's possible, young William...It just burns me a little...Oh well...I never shop there anyway...Now I can say that there is a reason for it!!!

[JanaBanana]

I thought that also.. almost replied to the email but then thought why bother?

[JanaBanana]

Large companies like that? I just cant imagine them making that big of a mistake on their Christmas flyers. They are back pedaling trying to save their arses. :D

[lana]

When you stop standing up for your rights and beliefs, do the rest really matter?


Funny, I haven’t seen any Holiday Menorahs or Holiday Kinaras out there. Have you?


I thought we already covered that some of us have different rights and beliefs. I told Jeff that I acceptted his explination even though I may feel different.

[Billy Battles]

I suppose that's possible, young William...It just burns me a little...Oh well...I never shop there anyway...Now I can say that there is a reason for it!!!

I have never shopped at Lowes my best friend works there so I have stopped in to ask him something before.


Also young is a relative word.....Just playing

[officepro4u]

I wonder if this is because they are hoping to attract more customers by advertising in a way that does not include "Christmas"? Maybe they're thinking Christians will purchase the items for Christmas anyway and non-Christian customers will be more likely to purchase them since they're not referred to as "Christmas" related. This doesn't make sense to me, and they can't be worried about law suits or bad publicity from using the word "Christmas" during the CHRISTMAS holidays, selling CHRISTMAS items. Crazy,

David


Why would anyone that doesn't celebrate Christmas buy a tree to decorate????? I can't think of why.

[Jeff Westover]

Why would anyone that doesn't celebrate Christmas buy a tree to decorate????? I can't think of why.

I know lots of people who aren't Christian or who are atheist or even Jewish who celebrate Christmas. They all call it Christmas. They all have Christmas trees. They all sing Christmas carols.

Never have I known them to be offended by the word "Christmas".

Some people just like the fun associated with the season.

I see nothing wrong with that.

[Billy Battles]

Take me for example I am as everyone knows an Agnostic I still celebrate Christmas and would never be offended by some one wishing me a Merry Christmas.

[Jeff Westover]

Take me for example I am as everyone knows an Agnostic I still celebrate Christmas and would never be offended by some one wishing me a Merry Christmas.

I can only assume you know a few folks who share your beliefs, Billy. Do you know if they are offended by the word "Christmas" or, at a minimum, more prone to give business to an establishment that avoids use of the word?

In other words, as an Agnostic, do you find your approach to Christmas typical?

[Billy Battles]

Actually I do not know any other Agnostics. I have met a few Atheists. Most people I know are Christian or Muslim.

[sugarplum fairy]

It is and always will be a Christmas tree no matter what anyone else wants to call it. "A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet."

[Michael Rielly]

I know lots of people who aren't Christian or who are atheist or even Jewish who celebrate Christmas. They all call it Christmas. They all have Christmas trees. They all sing Christmas carols.

Never have I known them to be offended by the word "Christmas".

Some people just like the fun associated with the season.

I see nothing wrong with that.

I have a friend that is Jewish and plays Mrs. Claus. She has a Christmas Tree and calls it a Christmas Tree. She has wished me Merry Christmas and I have wished her Happy Hanukkah. No one is ever offended or threatened and the world didn't come to an end.

[gameshowguy2000]

I have a friend that is Jewish and plays Mrs. Claus. She has a Christmas Tree and calls it a Christmas Tree. She has wished me Merry Christmas and I have wished her Happy Hanukkah. No one is ever offended or threatened and the world didn't come to an end.

That's good. One of my online friends told me that he's got a friend who's Jewish and celebrates Christmas. I asked him if his friend also celebrates Hannukah, and he said no and that his friend doesn't practice the Jewish religion(s).

[Twinkle]

Amen Jeff. I couldn't add anything to your post. I agree wholeheartedly.

[Snowflake1]

Jeff, I agree with you. I think after Christmas this year, someone should start a grass roots movement and let these businesses etc know that we are going to not buy from them next year. If they don't want to honor Christmas, then why should we buy Christmas? Buy a few things during the year and cut back at christmas, when that effects their sales, they will soon be having Merry Christmas back. I don't think it is a war on Christmas. It is a war on God. Did this same thing happen in Russia and Germany many many years ago? I am not for sure, before my time, but I thought it did.

[Michael Rielly]

Celebrate Tossmas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwuXgJ6VQa8)!

[cipalla]

can't wait to see what they are called this year!? Family trees? RIDICULOUS JMO

[Greg Young]

I think I may just go to the store, spend some time with a sales person, and then say that I just can't see my way to buy a holiday tree, as I came to buy a Chrsitmas tree!cheesy

[cipalla]

LOL! Can I come too, he he he!

[ksrjreed]

I might go to the store this year and ask them where there Christmas Trees are, just to see if they point them out to me, and then say I thought those were Family Trees.

:tree: :tree:

[Montana's Santa]

We have to remember the policies of companies are based on what they perceive is the prevailing thought... unfortunately, this prevailing thought is often a bubble brained concept of some media mogul who could care less about true or false, right or wrong, and concentrate on ratings and subscriptions.

I would imagine some companies are as embarrassed by this situation as we are irritated, but they're afraid of the press pointing a finger at them.

[dvdguy]

i think when the minority of people who are offended make a very large stink & say they are not happy & threaten lawsuits, companies get confused & think these people are the majority.
I think we need to make sure companies understand the majority of us dont want things changed, & this vocal minority will never be happy no matter how many things are changed

[santashelperkobrin]

Man this is soooooooooo funny.....When did it become a crime to use the word CHRISTMAS.....Oppp's...............Christmas...... Oppp's again...lol......Too me it's a Christmas tree and always well be.

~Santas Helper Kobrin :rudolph:

[usafvet]

Political correctness can be a cancer at times, and dangerous if we aren't too careful.

[Billy Battles]

Is it a Menorah or is it a Holiday/Family candle holder.

[ReineV]

CHRISTMAS tree. I guess I'm getting sued now right?